Hip drive confused as gming out of the hole?

[Antanas]

Recently i was squatting but i was commented on my form, depth not an issue but for some reason i lent over slightly and it might of appeared like a good morning or hips raising faster than the head- slightly. I assumed this wasant much of an issue from Marks work.

I watched your squat rx videos again and i was wondering. How far do you take hip drive when squatting in a Mark Rippetoes manner?

When flexibility is not an issue but some of marks comments are along the lines of "staying too vertical kills hip drive" just threw me off for a bit, didn't want to develop a stupid habit which might carry on to heavy weights.

[Boris]

It's a good question Ant. I think the goals of the two videos are different and that's the crux of the issue right there. If you are working with someone who is definately doing a good morning out of the hole and rounding his back as he does so, you are going to need to overcorrect it to bring it back in line with what is proper technique. On the other hand, if someone is squatting too upright and driving the hips (and knees forward) killing posterior chain involvement, you are going to have to make them almost do an arched good morning to bring them back to par.

The thing to remember about cues, and Coach Rippetoe and I talked about it (and here are his thoughts on it - he may talk about it in SS, I just don't remember) is that cues are not technique, they are often exaggerations to get the trainee to perform with proper technique.

I hope some of this makes sense. I'm in a bit of a hurry - let me know if it isn't clear.

[gable]

I've wondered this about myself, too.

I used to think I was GM'ing out of the hole, but my back is staying arched and tight.. I can feel it.. I have been trying to remember to point my toes up, to force me back on my heels, and this seems to help.

I will also say, that it seems like since I've been doing more GM's in my routine my squat feels much more solid.. rack pulls, gm's and abs work always seems to help my squat the most.. in my little experience at least.

[Boris]

Ant,
This is what you're referring to, isn't it? media.crossfit.com/cf-video/CrossFit_RipIntroLowbarSquat.wmv

Yeah, IMHO, it's a teaching thing. I agree completely w. everything he's saying. I wouldn't necessarily teach it that way, but he's absolutely right about the hips forward issue and it would depend on the trainee.

If you go to any PL meet, you'll see most people doing exactly what he's talking about. The back angle doesn't change much, but people maintain arch and a slightly forward position from beginning to end.

[Antanas]

Definitely, i cant show you a video until a month or so due to pay.

Some good points here but when i squat 1) my lower back is tight 2) i doubt there is much so called but wink 3) and i think my hips come out of the hole first, im just thinking on driving with my ass and hammies but i correct this asap by bringing my chest up.

I guess this is something that only a video can fix. Fair is fair but the weights still are currently light but it gets heavier don't want to pay for it.

Getting my oly shoes soon, cant wait.